End of Discussion. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. Its always good to get correction! including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? As for his preaching, we will disagree. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? 3. (John MacArthur). I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. or redistributed. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. Hardly the same as Furticks message! And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". I kind of dreaded this type of response. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. Their influence has been growing and recently . But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. Excellent post David. 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I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? I dont do stock answers. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. I did read your comments. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. Jenna . Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? Legal Statement. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. Sums it all up. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. Why shouldnt he? However the issue that really gets to me is the money one. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. http://religionnews.com/2016/05/11/why-pastor-steven-furtick-skirts-scandalous-questions/. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. 4, 3-4). 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. You are just exporting your own. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. Conclusion: And now I wait. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! Not on Amazon it aint! Because he is a pastor? I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. Matt. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. Required fields are marked *. Firstly in the teaching. 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