A new report by THR's Eriq Gardner reveals that this is just the tip of the iceberg of a new round of copyright claims and counterclaims among the heirs of Silver Age creators and the sole surviving creator, Larry Lieber, aka Stan Lee's brother. Jeff Rovin came from Warren, and he knew nothing about color comics. (break in testimony) I didn't have any steady work then. In 2008, he was one of two recipients of that year's Bill Finger Award, which annually honors one living and one deceased comics creator. He recalled in 1999 he had written some or all of these stories himself, "because I remember Stan was saying to me, 'You write romances really well. Husband of Joan (Boocock) Lee married 5 Dec 1947 in Reno, Nevada, United States. LARRY LIEBER: Stan Lee. LARRY LIEBER: I don't know the year, you know, all the years and I don't know if it was. LARRY LIEBER: No, they all came from Stan Lee. He said, 'Oh, I've read your letters.'"[13]. Do you know what that is? Larry Lieber is an American comic book artist, known for drawing Marvel's 'Rawhide Kid' and the newspaper strips of the 'Incredible Hulk' and 'The Amazing Spider-Man'. date of birth. Q: If you look at the center of the page, you see a line going through the center of the first page, the third, fourth, fifth and sixth pages? Q: That's fine. And where he would discuss a story or a plot with the artist and the artist would write it not write, I'm sorry. While also teaching, Lieber wrote and drew stories about monsters, heroes, cowboys and love. Q: Do you know who came up with the idea for Thor? . And as time went on, he had fewer to make."[14]. MS. SINGER: You have to give a pause so he can object to his own questions too. LARRY LIEBER: Stan offered me I had to earn a living. Q: And who asked you to write the first script for Iron Man? So that's why I did that. [8], Lieber, who credits Lee as a good editor, writer and writing teacher, said his brother made very few editorial changes to Lieber's scripts. I wanted to leave, so I left. [8] His first superhero work, the first appearance of Marvel's Thor in Journey into Mystery #83 (Aug. 1962), introduced one of the mainstays of the Marvel Universe, the mystical metal "uru", of which Thor's hammer Mjolnir is made. I don't know which came first, but I've only heard it recently in the last year or so, once from you using it to me in a conversation, and then I I looked up the case out of curiosity on the Internet and they were talking about it and they mentioned it as being an important thing or was it work for hire or not. What was the form it came in? [2][29][31] Lieber also penciled the Sunday page again from 1990 through at least 1995. Q: Did you ever work on the comic Thor? Changes in not in the basic story or anything, because I knew how to tell a story as well as anybody, I think, in terms of sequentially and what to draw, what to tell the artist. For a while there it appeared that there was nothing that Larry couldn't do - he wrote and he drew, and he did them both solidly and more than competently and remained at Marvel for many years. Q: What was your understanding of why or your impression of why Jack Kirby was upset when he tore these up and threw them in the trash? [22], With the end of his run on Rawhide Kid, Lieber found little further Marvel work. LARRY LIEBER: Stan. Son of Jack Aron Lieber and Celia Lieber Stan said, 'I'm trying to make up a character,' and he gave me the plot, and he said, 'Why don't you write the story? Q: And do you recall strike that. I like it. Lee then took over as regular writer for the next few years. Date of Birth: August 15, 1885. . That started out with my brother writing it and me drawing it, penciling it, and it didn't do well and he finally said I could write it, and I wrote that for a while. But a page of script would have panel one, panel two, panel three. Larry Lieb is a nationally known subject matter expert in the field of computer forensics and electronic discovery. A tweet showing Stan Lee with his brother Larry Lieber and comic book artist Ken Bald is actually using a five-year-old photo from a 2013 Wizard World NYC report. It probably was at no, it must have been at the on 57th Street when they were there on Madison, and Jack Kirby came out of Stan's office from and from the direction of Stan's office. Q: Now, as a freelancer, if your work was rejected, you wouldn't be paid for that, would you? MR. TOBEROFF: I'm supposed to object before you answer. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. LARRY LIEBER: About then, yeah. Q: Let's talk about Ant-Man. LARRY LIEBER: Stan Lee. It was the latter half of the 1960s when I became infatuated with Marvel Comics, among the favorites was Larry's Rawhide Kid. He still gave me work, he didn't want to take work away, but they were putting out a few more books. The Larry Lieber Deposition For The Kirby Family Vs Marvel Lawsuit, Supernatural: Collins & Ackles Want Some Sweet "The Last of Us" Money, Spider-Man Receives Spectacular Wave of Marvel Legends Figures, Hasbro Loses Their Minds By Dropping $75 Carbonized Star Wars 2-Pack, Marvel Releases New Guardians Of The Galaxy Trailer, The Spider-Man With Dots For Eyes Gets His Own Spider-Verse Version, Danny Earls, From Gail Simone Tweet To Marvel & DC Gigs In Two Months, South Park Season 26 Ep. I didn't want to give a light tone to it. Both are captured by the mysterious Mr. Nash, who wants to clone the Hulk. But he always used it. That was the way I interpreted it anyway. Larry has also had a hand in co-creating some of our greatest Marvel super-heroes including Ant Man, Iron Man, and Thor. [As well i]t was simply too risky for me not to be grooming some other writers to fill the break if necessary. Since 2021 the record price for this artist at auction is 650 USD for Lieber Larry - The Amazing Spider-Man, sold at . Dr. Lawrence Lieber, MD is an Orthopedic Surgery Specialist in Downers Grove, IL and has over 42 years of experience in the medical field. LARRY LIEBER: I paused. I I liked it was an opportunity for me to write and draw the same strip, and that appealed to me. LARRY LIEBER: It would be Stan, I'm sure, as the editor. LARRY LIEBER: No. Check the Prices Tab on Desertwindcomics.com for witnessing and grading fees. Awards[edit] Lieber was one recipient of the San Diego Comic-Con International's 2003 Inkpot Awards. I don't know. His final strip ran September 8, 2018. And I I saw it as an opportunity to have some of his originals to keep, to look at and study, and so I took them out of the trash can. Jay Lieber, beloved husband of Judy. [21] Lieber wrote the first nine Ant-Man stories (following the character's non-costumed introduction months earlier) in Tales to Astonish #35-43 (Sept. 1962 - May 1963) before veteran Ernie Hart did five issues, followed by Lee taking over. So I came up with that. As he notes, this material is sure to be dissected at the atomic level for years to come. He was putting out color comics, and he was also going to put out black-and-white comics like Warren and Marvel. Lee then took over as regular writer for the next few years. I was very young and I had a couple of jobs. So at any rate finally I think at one point he got a little exasperated and he said, "Im going to hire some of the old pros." Writer: Iron Man. [11] "It wasn't a very easy period," he said in 1999. When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx, settling at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee . No. He is the younger brother of Marvel Comics ' writer, editor, and publisher Stan Lee . Q: What how did you come to work on Rawhide Kid? children: Jan Lee, Joan Celia Lee. Solicited for comment, celebrity hairstylist Jose Eber said he "would have made it sexier.". I was unsure of myself just sitting down to write a script. Q: Stan Lee. (Lieber Exhibit 6, an excerpt from Jack Kirby Collector Forty-One, marked for identification, as of this date.). LARRY LIEBER: I'm sorry? Q: How did you get paid for the work that you were doing for Marvel, 1958 to 1965? Did you have any involvement in The Rawhide Kid? I simply wouldn't have the time to continue with The Fantastic Four, The Hulk, Spider-Man and the other odd Western, mystery, romance, humor, and assorted monster tales I was writing and still do justice to our newest feature yet a'borning. '58. After a while, I'd just go to the typewriter. Now, I knew nothing about black-and-white comics, right? See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. I don't remember why I wanted to do it, particularly. Cross the Rainbow Bridge into the eternal realm of Asgard, and meet Thor's royal family for the first time! Yes. Maybe they then sent them to you at home. (I still retain an affection for western comics.) [21], After the debut Iron Man story in Tales of Suspense #39 (March 1963), however, Lee replaced Lieber with Robert Bernstein, writing as "R. Berns", for the next seven issues before Lee took over the reins himself for a few stories. Do you know whether strike that. (At this point there was a break where testimony was taken 'off the record' at the requests of Marvels lawyer. Lieber is best known for scripting the first appearances of the Marvel characters Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man; for his long stint both writing and drawing the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid; and for illustrating the newspaper comic strip The Amazing Spider-Man for many years and continuing as of 2014. Q: Okay. He said, "Larry if you want, you can write The Hulk and draw it". As Stan Lee recalled, in his trademark jocular style, in 1974, Heretofore, I had written all of the origin tales of each new character, as well as the subsequent follow-up stories in every series. Q: There's a reference here to "Marvel style." When he has made corrections, I have fortunately agreed with it. Q: Okay. LARRY LIEBER: No, I would say I don't recall looking at the book. Larry Lee is the younger brother of Stan Lee and was born on October 26th, 1931. Q: And did you pay for your own supplies, whatever they were? Stan was writing it and after a while The Hulk wasnt doing well and Stan decided to give it up, or give up his part. Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. As Lieber, in a 1999 interview, described his experience as editor: The template below (Block quote) is being considered for deletion. It didn't work out too well, and Jeff finally left angrily or something, and I had to take over all his books. Q: Now, when you submitted your freelance work to Marvel, whether it's script or artwork, was it was it your understanding that Marvel was obligated to purchase that material from you? "[12] He again drew for his brother, editor Stan Lee, at the 1950s forerunner of Marvel Comics, known generally as Atlas Comics, though whether on staff or freelance is uncertain. LARRY LIEBER: I don't recall seeing any. No worries. MS. SINGER: 19 out of 20 19 out of 30. Would he After that, after the Hulk, Stan left. Larry Lieber is an American comic book artist and writer best known as co-creator of the Marvel Comics superheroes Iron Man, Thor, and Ant-Man; for his long stint both writing and drawing the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid; and for illustrating the newspaper comic strip The Amazing Spider-Man from 1986 to September 2018. No. Q: Let me take a step back then. LARRY LIEBER: I believe it was Jack Kirby. He may, probably, he had come out of Stan's office, and he seemed upset. Q: So you got paid for the script but you weren't paid for your redoing the plot a number of times? LARRY LIEBER: No. Stan's Family Marvel Jack Lieber and Celia Lieber - Parents. He just didn't like my question. Yes. I said, 'I'm not really a writer.' LARRY LIEBER: Yes. You could have said it this way, or this way or that way," and I'm realizing, yeah, I don't think of it that way or this way. I'm sorry. I don't remember when I first got them. Larry Lieber was born in Manhattan, New York City, New York, the second child of Romanian Jewish immigrant parents Jack and Celia Lieber, and the brother of the nearly nine years older Stanley Martin Lieber, later best known as Marvel Comics editor and impresario Stan Lee. These were all scripts in advance [that Kirby would illustrate]. Family: Father- Jack Lieber Mother- Celia Lieber Brother- Larry Lieber Sister- Not Known: Religion: Judaism: Ethnicity/Race: Jewish: Address (Fan Mail) Pow! Lee has one younger brother, comic book artist and writer Larry Lieber. These were all scripts in advance [that Kirby would illustrate]. Q: And how did you come to work for Marvel? Q: And we'll just call that writing legends for purposes I don't recall. Q: When you say you were learning to write, what do you mean by that? LARRY LIEBER: No. Or else I I either brought it to the office and handed it to Stan, who must have sent it, or else I sent it. Q: Good work. Q: You mentioned Jack Kirby. LARRY LIEBER: I would imagine it's a statement of some kind that you sign or you write. I I don't understand the things very well. Q: When you received were you always paid by check from Marvel? Q: I agree. I know I made it short because I felt that Thor might be around a while and I was always worrying about the letterer or somebody. LARRY LIEBER: They I was in the office, the Marvel office. Assumes facts. Marvel? Q: Do you remember what the plot was for the first Ant-Man? Q: Do you know who, after you turned in the script, do you know who the artist was that drew Thor? They would have thought Stan Lee is sending over a spy or something you know. Q: Yes. It would be panel by panel. Since I knew how to draw, I'd think, 'Oh, this shot will have a guy coming this way this shot will have a guy looking down on him,' and later I'd sit at the typewriter and type it up. '"[20] Under Lee's plotting, Lieber's eight Thor stories also introduced the Marvel characters Loki, Odin, and Balder, from the pantheon of Norse mythological gods; their home, Asgard; and Bifrost the Rainbow Bridge, which connected that realm to Earth. Born in New York City in 1931, Lieber studied art at the Pratt Art Institute and the Art . a little space for myself or something, and I wanted to do a little drawing again. Brother of Larry Lieber. I'm sorry. LARRY LIEBER: I didn't hear. Right here at FameChain. I didn't do enough of the superheroes to know whether I'd like them. . At this point, business was bad, and I tried to do what I could. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Larry Lieber (Lawrence D. Lieber) was born on 26 October, 1931 in Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA, is a Writer, Miscellaneous. Change this or change that.". I would see what theyre doing and go back or whatever the hell it was. [20] For another series, starring the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four, Lieber co-created the longstanding supervillain the Wizard in Strange Tales #102 (Nov. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Afterwards, I had been so used to it that I wouldn't have noticed if it was still there or not. [18] I needed someone to write the new feature, which would hopefully be Marvel's fourth winner in our little superhero sweepstakes. He, he I never had to, you know, go home and do it again. Q: So not in the period 1958 to 1965? Right here at FameChain. He said, 'Oh, I've read your letters.'"[13]. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. When I went there, Martin put out two kinds of books. [3] When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx,[4] settling into at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee described as a one-bedroom, "third-floor apartment facing out back", with him and Larry sharing a bedroom and his parents using a foldout couch. Larry Lieber, who scripted the initial appearances of Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Loki, Fin Fang Foom, and other heroic and villainous characters in the Marvel Universe, has sued Marvel/Disney for a bigger portion of the pie. I didn't speak to him. Q: During all the time you did work with Marvel, did you have a written contract with Marvel? Q: And just to follow up on something you said, you mentioned a letterer, what was the job of the letterer? Q: And where did you get the name Uru hammer? Q: If you understand the question, you can Q: And where would how would you get the idea for the story? After a while, I did better and I and I enjoyed it. Larry Lieber is the younger brother of Stan Lee. That was one area because I'm wanting to be an artist myself, and I thought I had a very good sense of the drama and what to put down, what to draw. (break in testimony) LARRY LIEBER: Yeah. 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