answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. It sounds like this was not the case with Dianes children. The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to itthe child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gunbut it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. Inside, outside, top to bottom. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. Dianes daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. I will take a screen shot of the sketch. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative, Ill stop there. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. I recently found your website and have enjoyed it a lot. Sonny arrives at his restaurant and gives Dex, who is there, the night off. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. She did it. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. The implication was not only cruel, in the light of what Diane was suffering, it was also clear. Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. He failed. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. Diane Downs is no exception. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. What about the affidavits of the guy who confessed to several people? I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. Many troubling elements of the case were discovered after the trial, but there was enough during the proceedings to be asking questions. Seriously. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. Mr. My website is in the process of being migrated so it has no photos. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. I watched the highlights of her hearing. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. This is not the reason she is still locked up. ), Interesting suggestion. She was not in the car when her children were shot. It should have been investigated further. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated. BUT the babies were put in Foster Care before any allegations were made Family has defended and backed Diane for her Innocence clearly from day one The state took them away from all family because family was and is the enemy I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. Spiritual advancement and atonement? I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. And their plan worked. I had never heard of this case before I read her book (Im not from or do not live in the USA), but I found myself constantly despairing at the authors unfounded judgements and wild suppositions. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? She was found guilty. By many accounts, her children adored her. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? This is also what the state did to her. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. then later you ask how diane didnt have any blood splatter on her when she was inside the car when she shot her kids??? She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. Hugi did not want that. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. Diane followed the detectives to their car. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. Due process always matters. Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. They never tried to reunite them with family. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. CMOH said 2 doses = minimal protection against infection . It was pretty apparent during the course of this saga that the media and the state were willing to give a free pass to anyone willing to badmouth Diane. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. Ive not seen the movie or read the book. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. Now if the shooter was this James Haynes guy, someone who apparently Diane Downs knew from buying drugs, then that would explain why she stopped in the middle of that road. Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. Fair question. It was not unlike brainwashing. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. So appropriate! When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. Ultimately, the blogger is entitled to their opinion as is everyone else. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. I think that the time she has served and her good behavior made her eligible for parole. Not speculative? Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? (her family confirmed that she had a mood disorder, possibly bipolar 2), So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis.. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. The underlying basis of this article. You are right. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? The innocence project gets so many requests and they have limited resources. Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . He could not during the marriage so he walked away. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. Posted by October 30, 2021 apush gilded age test on why didn't steve downs get custody The way it was. Any thoughts on how the detectives basically made up their mind right away in spite of numerous tips coming in? Justice is all that is left. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. did he have eyes in the back of his head.???? Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. (Appendix 81, page 1466). She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. They lied about the ballistics. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. This is a conflict of interest. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. 6. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. I agree with your comment. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. Thanks again. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. After parting ways, the couple would soon meet again in Arizona which would end up in them reigniting and reconnecting their fling. Is. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. In reply to Kit Mission accomplished: Relevance? Even put in different hospitals. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. Ask them what they did to a good man. Its as if they cant control it. I am just curious. Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. I dont know the woman. I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying. Because she had driven that area for years for her work. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. This is not my scenario Tasha. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. time it was the situation was down. Diane found with him,the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. Feb. 4, 2022 -- An analysis from a trio of economists says pandemic lockdowns during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic did little to reduce the number of COVID-related deaths. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. And I care about the lack of evidence. Her 7 yr old daughter was already dead, her other 2 children were in critical condition. They were in a group home and he was getting unsupervised visitation with them. This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. It is because she is a high profile person. 4. lol. I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. Most were married because Diane had no desire to remarry. How ironic. Go to the hate groups for that. She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. Her character was also too much on the forefront. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. Children imitate their parents every move. It had nothing to do with the evidence of the case and represents useless labeling anyway. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. This was very stressful. 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